Pioneer Toraiz thread

Other Gear
#1

Lots of buzz going around about this thing, not all of it good. Wondering if anybody has bit the very luxe bullet on one of these or tried one out.


It’s certainly a very romantic unit, going back to the standalone MPC days but looking like the slickest console Sega never made.
#2

I haven’t seen the actual sampling workflow. I like everything else I have seen about it minus the price.


I work in front of a computer all day. For me, any music gadget that doesn’t require a computer is really cool and fun. I like it for the same reasons I got into the OP-1 and have avoided using things like serato and ableton.
#3

It is pretty expensive, but then again, so is the Octatrack (and the OP-1).


Maybe those filters are to blame, I don’t know. I guess it’s cool we can have the old-style samplers back at any rate. I imagine expectations are pretty high and the thing not being perfect are what’s driving the rather nasty backlash I’ve been seeing.

I’m mainly interested in dedicated samplers because while the OP-1 is great, I actually don’t like sampling on it that much. The drum sampling is fun, but synth sampling feels a little lame to me, probably because I am not good at any of this music stuff yet and can’t get the best results out of it.

Anyways, what would be a good feature set for a sampler that would be more affordable? Say something a bedroom producer could get with a mediocre paycheque. The Toraiz doesn’t seem to be targeting that market, after all.


#4

The sample Play back is 32 secs Max.

I too would like a stand alone that’s not as complex as a octatrack but not as limited as an electribe.

Love the look of mpc touch but don’t want to go - tied to OS upgrades and therefore forced to upgrade hardware. By which I mean you could keep the same os on your laptop so the controller does not become legacy, but the likelihood is an os upgrade would be needed to keep all your software needs running.

I like the way there are so many mpcs still around regardless. This is what I’d want from a sampler. I understand the argument of cost from the manufacturer point of view of removing the computer cost but elektron did it and now to a certain extent pioneer.

Interestingly pioneer did say that this is the first product of a few planned in this category.

Anyway fingers crossed something of note drops later from Roland for 09/09 day

#5

The Octatrack is probably the sampler I’m going to go with in the end, it seems to do the things I like to hear, even if it is complicated.


Pioneer is probably also gauging the market to see what the actual demand is for something like the Toraiz or the old MPCs as opposed to things like Maschine or even the Ableton Push. If sales to bigwig users like famous DJs or producers are brisk, maybe they’ll introduce a Dave Smith-less unit aimed at the bedroom market, hopefully with a name less stupid and hard to spell correctly.



#6

@<a href=“https://www.operator-1.com/index.php?p=/profile/1886/Jellygeist” class=“Username” style=“margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-weight: bold; font-size: 15px; font-family: “lucida grande”, “Lucida Sans Unicode”, tahoma, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(66, 157, 168); line-height: 22.1px; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 255);”>Jellygeist<span style=“color: rgb(37, 38, 30); font-family: “lucida grande”, “Lucida Sans Unicode”, tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 22.1px; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 255);”> if you wish to go for an OT (good move IMO) I suggest you read the manual right now :slight_smile:

<span style=“color: rgb(37, 38, 30); font-family: “lucida grande”, “Lucida Sans Unicode”, tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 22.1px; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 255);”>As painful as it can be, it is necessary before you operate the machine, and I think it’s also good to understand what it can do before the purchase.

#7

@jellygeist - not to be an enabler, but I really think it’s the best solution for someone not looking to multi-sample (get a bigass EMU) or do the MPC (get an MPC).

Of course - it’s 909 day, but it doesn’t look good for a Roland sampler.

The Octa is great for someone looking to do some chopping, sample mangling, perhaps some backing tracks, creative live sampling/resampling, etc. And that’s just from my perspective, talking as a person who doesn’t even need the MIDI sequencerside of things.

Edit: I do realize that the Toraiz might mature and turn out to be a great standalone solution, but it seems like A LOT has been left for the upcoming firmware updates to fulfill. Don’t like that.

#8

Thanks for the advice, friends! The Octa purchase is a ways off yet but I have the manual and am reading it in my downtime. Gotta get better at using the tools I have before adding another one anyways, I am just terrible but improving.


Back to the subject at hand, I agree with @josker that the Torrrrizaer whatever seems a little barebones at launch…if any of y’all play video games, it seems like Street Fighter V: slick, solid foundation, but lacking a lot of things that you’d expect for a full price game.

You could compare it to Splatoon, too, but that game had everything on the disc initially and new stuff was rolled out slow to keep the game fresh…which isn’t the case with SFV or the Toraiz

I think I’ve gone off the rails a bit but you can see my point (I hope)
#9
I do realize that the Toraiz might mature and turn out to be a great standalone solution, but it seems like A LOT has been left for the upcoming firmware updates to fulfill. Don't like that.

That could be worse than waiting for op-1 firmware updates

#10

Hang back folks! I’ve been dreaming for this one but as I’m a lowly Tesco the price was a big ask. Thankfully some poor stateside sod has taken the bullet instead and posted what seems a very clear review of the machine on amazon.com. Gonna go for the wee Roland drum and the mpc touch instead.

#11

@jim mpc touch2 is due at some point this year. Was announced at NAMM earlier in the year. It will be a paid upgrade from the current. Just a head’s up

#12

Edit: new phone …sorry

#13

Edit: double post

#14

Seems to be a pretty barebones device, though might be good for the DJs it’s aimed at if they don’t really care about sampling all that much.


I dunno. I’m leaning towards the Octatrack anyways, but maybe some of you could find a use for the Torrrrrriazzi
#15

Cheers H! Gonna have to catch that vid again cause I’m sure Dan said about V2.0, but not much else (or the ren2 is on his desk…which I imagine is a broom cupboard in AKAI’S basement)