Hard limit found for number of samples on XY

Reposting this from a thread on Reddit, from user buba447:

Hey yall! Like many of you I’ve been having issues with samples that wont load. I began to suspect after some stock samples wouldnt load that all samples in a project share the same memory pool- and that the pool has a hard limit. I decided to do some rigorous testing to determine:

  1. If there is a shared memory pool
  2. What the hard limit of the memory pool is.
  3. If the limit is time based, or based on the size of the wave files.

I’m happy to say that I found some conclusive answers.


Methodology

Preparation:

The basic idea was to create a controlled sample group, and then try to load as many samples onto the device as I could before samples stopped loading.

I created a “blank” project. This project had an empty midi instrument loaded onto every track. I figured this would be a good way to flatten the memory pool. Between every test I loaded a blank project, saved and power cycled. This was the best way I could ensure a completely clean slate.

Samples:

Designed a sample pack of 24 stereo WAV files, each exactly 5 seconds long.

Generated three versions of this pack with different sample rates: 44kHz, 22kHz, and 11kHz.

Duplicated each sample pack 8 times to ensure the OP-XY loaded a unique WAV file for every key on every track.

Test Execution:

Loaded the blank project and added sample packs to tracks until notes stopped loading.

Observed behavior after saving and power cycling.


TEST RESULTS:


44kHZ Test

I got as far as the second track before I encounted a note that wouldn’t load. It had a single missing note (E2). Curious if the issue would persist I saved the project and power cycled- on reboot there was still a missing note but this time is was Track 1 (C#). Track two was selected when the project was saved- so it seems that the XY loaded the selected track first, then ran out of room while loading track 1.

Outcome:

47 5 Second wav files @ 44kHz were loaded. (3.9 total minutes of samples)


22kHZ Test

I was able load 4 tracks of samples. The fifth track was missing all of it’s samples. On reboot there were still 24 misisng notes- but they were spread across all of the tracks.

Outcome:

96 5 Second wav files @ 22kHz were loaded. (8 total minutes of samples)


11kHz Test

I was able to load 7 complete tracks of samples- the 8th track was missing 6 notes. This also persists across multiple boots- again the missing notes changed.

Outcome:

11kHz Results: 186 5 Second wav files @ 44kHz were loaded. (15.5 total minutes of samples)


Conclusion:

So that seems pretty conclusive! There is a shared sample pool across all tracks and devices. The pool is a memory pool and has a hard limit. I was curious if I could calcuate the memory limit based on the sample disk sizes

44kHZ Test

47 samples @ 882kb = ~41.5mb

22kHZ Test

96 samples @ 441kb = ~42.3mb

11kHZ Test

186 samples @ 221kb = ~41.1mb


Too Long Didnt Read:

  • The OP-XY has a shared active memory pool for all samples in a project.

  • The hard limit for this pool is around 42mb.

  • Thats 4 minutes @ 44kHz (Almost 2 multisample instruments)

  • 8 minutes @ 22khz (4 Multisample Tracks)

  • 16 minutes @ 11kHz (Almost 8 Multisamples Tracks)

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Wait?!

XY IS BACK!?

I’m still waiting for TE to give me instructions on how to return it. They wanted the crash logs from my device but still haven’t told me how I can initiate a return. :neutral_face:

That’s so not cool
I’m sorry your having that issue man
With such a scenario and with such a reputable TE musician such as yourself this is unacceptable
Just unacceptable

I hope you get your FRESH unit this month dude , the latest!

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@Tarekith Thanks for posting that.
I think Rephazer posted something about a 40MB limit in a thread here when the XY was first released. I have been looking for weeks but I haven’t been able to find the post again.

40MB is not great but I can work with it. It will change my approach to sampling on the XY for sure so it’s good to have the facts.

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Thanks for going to all that trouble and sharing it. It is handy information to have.

Just to clarify, I didn’t do these tests, it was someone on Reddit.

Why can’t TE just publish this information? It’s so annoying that they can’t just specify the limitations of their devices for storage, number of files, etc.

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