Maybe you don't need the OP-XY after all?

The intention of this post is not to disparage the OP-XY or anyone that owns it. Instead I want to express my thoughts and feelings about the device now that I’ve owned it for 5 days.

My first impressions were very positive. I appreciated the build quality (especially the keys and knobs). Most of the factory songs are really good (some are super cheesy but that is probably intentional) and they give a nice overview of the capabilities of this device. I immediately found some presets that sounded really great and proceeded to build up some simple tracks.

It was on the second day that I started to have some buyer’s remorse. I noticed that the workflow felt much less immediate and fun than the OP-1 field or even the OP-Z. I know these devices are very different but they still are TE devices and, first and foremost, they should, IMO, be fun to use. But I was not having fun using the OP-XY. Sure some of the struggle comes from this having a lot more features than the OP-Z or OP-1 and that would probably get a bit better over time; however some of the poor design decisions can not be fixed or overcome with time.

For example, take the colour scheme (or lack thereof). The four different shades of grey/white on the encoders simply do not work. They are not distinct enough and it is very difficult to find what element of the screen each one is supposed to adjust. This was never an issue on the OP-1 or OP-Z as they have four distinct colours. Every time I use the device I can’t help but think how bad a design this is (mostly because I’m trying to figure out what knob does what) and no firmware upgrade can really fix this.

Another issue is the keys and LEDs. The OP-Z does an amazing job of conveying lots of information with LEDs. For example, go to the mixer and you can watch the levels of each track go up and down via their green LED This is a super quick way to work. But on the OP-XY I keep having to shift my attention from the mostly monochrome screen to the mostly white LEDs of the keys. This problem is compounded by how similar each screen looks and the lack of visual indiction of what “module” or page you are on (why not have an LED that indicates what page you are on (eg mixer, track, etc)?. This might not seem like a big deal but to me it adds up and I find it cumbersome to use (should I be looking at the keys or the screen? Am I on the mixer page or the EQ page?). It’s an additional cognitive load that never goes away. Perhaps this will vanish with muscle memory but it has not happened. This device does not have the same “feel” as the OP-Z (which is not surprising given the size of the form factor).

The last big issue for me is the price. I just can’t get over how much this cost and every time I use it I am reminded of this fact To be clear, I can afford this device; however I can’t shake the feeling that this device is just not the worth the money for me which is why I think I will return it. I have never felt this way about a piece of gear before, even ones that were nearly the same price.

To sum this post up, I don’t think the OP-XY workflow is for me. I feel the same way as when I use Ableton: sure it’s very powerful, but much of this power lies beneath a complex menu system and an overwhelming amount of features; it’s more of a chore to use than a enjoyment for me. At the end of the day, workflow is one of the most important features of a device. During this five day period I keep picking up my OP-1 Field, not so much to compare it with the OP-XY, but just because it feels so much more natural and expressive to use and, above all, fun.

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I feel absolutely the same. Will send mine back especially because it has in addition to the stupid colors and the fiddling buttons also real hardware issues. it crashes sometimes during startup and I have a very ugly crackling noise if I sample via USB. I tried with different computers. Mutisampling also crashes a lot and there are also strange inconsistencies while playing notes, effects and so on. For 500$ I could swallow that perhaps… but not for 2300!!!

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That’s how I felt. I cancelled my order for that same feelin - I can handle $500 but not $2500

Plus my main issue is I need a tape workflow or linear timeline now that I learned to love my op/1f workflow

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To be fair I think most of those issues could be due to bugs. I have also had a number of issues which I think are bugs that make the experience quite frustrating. They really rushed this release out and it shows.

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Totally agree. Considered selling my OP1F to get the XY. RTFM, watched some demo’s, and the workflow complexity and lack of sound engines compared to the OP1F struck me the most. The B/W scheme just feels lifeless and cold. Where OP-1 feels warm, looks funny and like you said, very distinct.

I found a pleasant workflow pairing my OP1F with DT2 which can sequences the OP1 and record that to track. Sound design, record and sample back and forth on both devices is a real blast. The OP-1 sequencers also send individual midi notes that can live record on DT2, adding easy ARP options which the DT2 lacks.

The XY just doesn’t seems to be competent enough to beat what I have now. OP1F seems like a way faster sound design tool, while the DT2 is a better and faster sequencer. From what I got from the manual the XY can only sequence one single external midi device at a time. The only thing that I would like to have are the ‘punch in’ effects, but not worth €2300,-

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That sounds like a nice combo. I might try that if I return the OP-XY which is very likely .

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Quite an interesting post.

It’s interesting because the OP-1f and the OP-XY look really similar because there are hardware similarities but they are TOTALLY different machine. Presumably all the people who vocally hate the OP-1 and bemoan the lack of sequencing, undo, automation etc - would really love the OP-XY.

OP-1 had the best colour scheme I feel, the OP-1 Field colours I don’t like as much. But the upgrade is worth it.

OP-XY being monochromatic is a pure design form over function fail, IMO. Even just the 16 buttons being not obviously 4 blocks of 4.

Anyway, I don’t want to bash it - it’s objectively super cool but I know it’s not for me, and that’s nice to not have something I lust for that I shouldn’t spend money on.

OP-1 (and Field even) is a good 80’s home recording studio in a box. And that’s pretty cool.

Oh, you mentioned Ableton. I used to sell it. Version 1, 2, 3 - I used it before it had midi tracks. It was so simple and intuitive and amazing. Just great building blocks. It didn’t have the complex warp mode then, and when it did, you couldn’t complex warp too many tracks as computers couldn’t handle that then. But it’s got WAY too full on and bloated over the years. Hardware doesn’t normally do that, and that’s nice. You buy a Reface CS and it doesn’t turn into a Montage with updates, and then it’s too complex.

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I believe that any reaction to a product is fair. We each have to decide what works, and doesn’t, and go with that. I am new to this forum and have been enjoying reading all the discussion on TE’s products. I know this probably sounds a bit weird, but I like the fact that the OP-XY doesn’t use color because I am color-blind (statistically this happens more in men than women for some reason). I learned to work with the OP-Z and OP-1 Field despite that, and am finding the OP-XY to be a bit easier because for me, the grey coloring is simply lighter or darker rather than having to guess at what which color knobs match up with which colors on the screen.

It is interesting that I read that the display on the OP-XY is actually a color display, but TE chose to mostly use shades of gray. It is also true (in my opinion) that, as expressed in this thread, TE packed a lot into this little device, making it rather complicated. I also see that frequently in software products. In other forums, I had seen the complaints that the tape workflow just didn’t work for some folks, and they wished for a step sequencer. Well, they got that with the OP-XY, but probably not in the manner hoped for (?).

TE seems to generated controversy with the OP line. The problem I read about with the OP-Z was that it tended to bend a bit and the buttons double click after a while. I have not experienced that with mine (yet), but enough people mentioned it so I am watching to see what happens with mine. With the OP series, it was the tape workflow and lack of editing and undo. For me, that just forces me to go ahead making tracks without overthinking it.

I have not had my OP-XY long enough to really form an opinion, but I generally take each piece of gear I buy at face value and try to work within whatever limitations it has, while at the same time, reading and considering what other folks’ experiences are because all opinions are valid and have merit.

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