As far as I know there isn’t a way to do this, but I figured I’d post on here because there are some really deep OP-Z threads that have been posted.
I’m attempting to see if there’s a way to swap samples from a Synth track to a Drum track, so that you could sample something like a loop into a Synth track, trim it perfectly, and copy it over to a Drum track so it could be chopped perfectly. This works on the PO-33, but there’s no copy/paste like this, as far as I know, on the OP-Z. I figured it could be done with the Configurator, but nope, my samples taken on the sample side don’t come up on the Configurator when on a Synth track.
I decided to put it into Content Mode, and try coping the .aif file from the Synth track to the Drum track, unfortunately didn’t show up at all upon startup of the OP-Z. I figure, this has got to be the way to do it, but there’s something that’s blocking it from working, on the metadata side maybe?
Has anyone been able to do this, even in a hacky way? Any help is appreciated, I feel the sampler is really difficult to use on the drum side, because there’s no threshold sampling, so start points will always be off, which seems to cause most chops to be wrong, and it’s really time consuming to perfect 24 individual trim points!
Hi,
Total noob in sound here. Perhaps a stupid question: why not sampling directly on the drum side?
On both sides, we can adjust pitch, direction, gain.
Asking because on the drums side, samples will always be 24 files/slices anyway and one always has to decide where they want to cut between one note to the next one.
Or, what am I missing?
Thanks
This way, you could copy your .aif synth sample file, convert it to .wav, conform it with the above utility which will give you a new drum compatible file.
I guess, it would be better to avoid all these conversions, but as you say, just copying the file from one synyh samplepack directory to a drum directory seems not to work for a reason unknown to me.
I know there are limitations in the filename and in the length. synth is 6 seconds max, drum is 12 seconds. The file has to be mono.
Comparing the synth .aif file with the same file converted to drum shows almost no differences out of the bit rate. The drum one is 710 kb/s, the synth one is 707 kb/s. But I’d guess this difference is mostly due to the conversion.
So, well, there is a solution, although not ideal in the needed conversion steps required.
If you can’t use this utility due to your system, just send your file(s) and I can convert them, if you like.
Thanks for the reply! I have wanted to use some of these command line tools (there are a couple out there that are really enticing), however, I’m really mostly looking to sample directly into the OP-Z. I don’t have a problem sampling into the drum side, I just find it really frustrating without threshold sampling. It ends up that the first key is always off, which makes it so I have to keep it blank, which (maybe it sounds whiny) I really don’t like. I want clean and organized slices, and I’d also rather not have to go in and fix every single start and end point, because it never seems to get it right at all, almost all slices are off to some degree on the start and/or end. If there were threshold sampling, I’m sure this wouldn’t be (at least as much of) an issue. Do you experience this when sampling into a drum track? Maybe I’m going about it wrong.
Also, I don’t want to be lazy about it, I grew up on old MPCs and do most of my sampling with an S1000 or MPC60, both are pretty tedious, but you can be so much more precise on those machines. The OP-Z doesn’t allow for as much precision when it comes to chopping, imo, so I’m purely trying to get it set up for better precision. The PO33 when copying a sample from the synth side to the drum side, if you get the start and end points set up nicely (start point really seems to be the only one that matters), the transient chopping is incredibly reliable. I was looking to get close to that workflow.
I really was hoping there was some way to make drag a sample in content mode without having to use a converter, but I think that’s probably the best bet. Wanting to use the computer as little as possible. I saw a very cool command line converter that can even convert super long samples by downsampling them, which I would love since I definitely embrace low sample rates, but honestly I couldn’t figure out how to get it to work.
Thanks for explaining so patiently.
Actually, I’ve not used the sample function enough to be able to answer about my experience.
I just saw that one can fill every key by adjusting start/end of the chops, but yes, without threshold it needs some work. I can’t tell about chopping precision either, as I have no comparison. The OP-Z was my first electronic instrument, bought less than a year ago and and I’m not musician! So, for me, it’s just heaven!
I also appreciate very very much to (try to) make music without computer.
Unfortunately it’s becoming difficult with more than one instrument (just got a Behringer Proton).
I’d be very interested to know which script you refer to. I could perhaps contribute to understand how it works, as I have much more experience on keyboards with letters written on them .
This should be possible with the line module, right? Assign your synth track to the auxiliary output and sample from the auxiliary input. Just use a 3.5mm TRS cable to connect the two.
If not, I know the Z can sample over USB… can you maybe use a phone or a PC to receive the Z’s output via USB and send it straight back in to be sampled? (However, I’m not sure there’s a way to make this work without creating a feedback loop lol). Alternatively you could record the synth track to a phone over usb then replay it back via usb for the Z to sample.
You could also abuse the Z’s TRRS main output. If you pick up a 3.5mm TRRS splitter cable, you could break out a dedicated mono input to sample into the Z.
These should work unless I’ve misunderstood your request somehow….
Interresting process.
Through USB would even be better because there would be no digital-analogic-digital conversion, or?
But how do you trigger the sound while in sample mode? Does it work with an external controller?
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