So I’ve never owned a looper and maybe I’m just having a bad case of GAS but I’ve been feeling like a looper pedal would be a fun addition to my rig lately. I’m thinking it would be really cool to have one with at least two channels (the more the better) and sending the outs to different pedals to get some nice live tweaking going on.
TC Electronic’s Ditto does auto fades of 3ms iirc. Pretty sure Roland/Boss Loopstations have some sort of auto fade, too.
Check the Boss/Roland RC-505, clock it and you are sorted.
Loopers are great. The limitations of a single loop track can be very inspiring. I currently use loopy on my iPad. Loopers work great for any audio source. I use the ditto/loopy for way more than just my guitar. I really wish I could control the op1 tape controls with midi. The op1 could be a very amazing looper. It already almost is.
I recently borrowed a dittox2 and productivity went up immediately as I seem to be less into programming things rather than just start playing and see where it goes. Now I’m in the market too and I’d like two separate stereo tracks - decoupled timing wise … so far I only discovered the boomerang which can do that… I’d appreciate if any owner could chime in should there be any other devices which can do that… also I’m not sure how midi is implemented? do loopers with midi quantize punch in/out? cheers
For me there is only 1 looper that I ever got on with, the Electrix Repeater, by no means perfect but much like the OP1 it is an instrument that will lead you to paths less trodden,quite hard to find and can be expensive, the memory cards have to be hi-spec industrial cards with hitachi chipset, and the noisefloor is a little high compared to modern DAWs, but it is the most hands on and creative looper by far, and that is why it is still sought after, you can send each track to its own output if you wish, and it can hold 99 loops each with 4 tracks, so you could easily do a whole liveset with it, each track has a dedicated fader so you can get a lot of mileage from a 4 track loop.
Oh forgot to mention is has midi too, so lots of fun to be had syncing it or controlling using midi, if you do end up getting one and want the latest OS hit me up as I have it (quite hard to find) and it adds a lot of midi stuff like chromatic play.
I’m pretty sure loopy(ios) can do all of this plus midi.
I'm thrilled w/ the Boss RC-505.
Thanks for the info @darenager, I keep hearing people talk aout the Repeater as the ultimate looper. Looks like they do pop up on eBay. My only complaint is that its not available as a pedal since I have a bit of a thing for the stompbox formfactor. Those individual outs are pretty great. Plus Midi thru would be a real nice feature. Would be fantastic if someone made the modern version of the Repeater in a pedal.
i know its not the same as undo, but on the 45000, couldn't u just trash the track and record it again? seems like w/ 4 tracks u'd only be messing something up if u were out of tracks and overdubbing onto an existing one, which might not be that often depending on what your doing w/ it. u can also mixdown & free up some tracks too.
not too many loopers have midi, only a handful of them, and they are mostly expensive.
ehx 2880/45000, electrix repeater, that other crazy rack one the echoplex, the big boss ones, pigtronix i think does too. there might be a few more, but they are mostly geared towards live playing and guitarists and stuff.
the small digitech ones have a sync jack that u can sync to other digitechs, i don't know too much about it, but wonder if u could sync it to something like a volca?
for me, i really dig that lofi junky. really inspiring looper
Any good tricks for achieving looper type action with the OP-1?
i think its totally suitable dude. some ppl will probably disagree. but i use op1 as a looper all the time.
@burntheair are we talking about the same device? Because the 505 isn’t a pedal… And it’s pretty sexy IMHO.
@docshermsticks – I think you’re probably right that with the 45000 and its four tracks there’s enough wiggle room that an undo isn’t totally a necessity. The stereo bouncedown track is pretty nice as well. But now you have me looking at the Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Wow! I love the sounds on it. Been watching YouTube videos. It may be a little too basic for what I’m looking at but the effect sounds awesome. Hmmm…45000 plus an Instant Lo-Fi Junky? Dammit, I was supposed to be paring down.
You keep throwing me off by saying “pedal”. The 505 is designed for vocals & other “tabletop” inputs. In any case, its features & functionality are legion.
Let’s face it, roland are a thousand miles south south East of anything decent but Boss (!) are hitting a homer with the RC-505… It looks like a Robocop sex toy but underneath the achingly shite design it packs a seriously usable looper, great fx and DAW compatible (sync, import/export and sound card).
Read the manual, read it and decide…
i like longer loop lengths, so if i'm locking up to bars. i usually do atleast an 8 bar loop on my tape. i usually start w/ 1 thing laid down that helps me keep the tempo.
sometimes i copy and paste that a bunch of times, so I can ghost jump around to different things or start over, etc.
if i'm not locking to bars, i just let it fly and press the loop end button when i want to end my loop.
seems to work good for me. i don't run into the zero crossing issue that alot of ppl complain about here, very often.
i usually try to end my playing before the loop starts over so that whatever i'm playing is atleast starting to fade out.
but even the best laid plans don't always work out, (sometimes you start playing your next thing in the middle of hte loop but u weren't aware)
i also am not that big of a stickler for clicks and pops (monome + MLR made me this way haha) so maybe i just don't notice it as often.
maybe i have the magic touch i dunno.
@unflattered – Yeah man, sorry, I just keep saying “pedal” since in my mind I’m thinking of it along the lines of a effects unit. I’m checking out the specs on it and it is a beast. The 5 stereo channels and the little screen to pull up stored loops sounds awesome. I still hate how it looks but it has everything I’d want out of looper.
Are the effects any good? How does the build quality feel?